003 A Conversational Partner

August 31st, 2016, 1:27 am

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Reply NtKGar, August 29th, 2016, 3:50 pm

Neko's very definitely atheist. All cats are.

To my own feelings on the presence or absence of God or gods: I was raised catholic but turned away from the church many years ago. What I've kept I got from my grandmother, and owe to her more than to Him. I think decency is more important than piety, but at times, usually when I'm out walking, I feel a sense of Presence that I can only describe as holy.

All the ritual subservience stuff kind of chases that out of church. I can be grateful for my life without that gratitude being subservient. Pretty sure that's what Joy is. That said, I don't actually believe in anything specific.

So does that sense of joy come from me, or from something else? God? The Soul? The Force? Is the presence I feel in those moments simply my own, or does it come from something else? What's the boundary there? Am I a singular entity or a cell of a greater whole?

How do we know the Sun isn't god? There'd be no life without it, what if that was on purpose? We know it's a big nuclear reaction and have a good idea of the kind of energies it emits, and it's the current scientific belief that it's not possessed of any sort of intelligence or Will, but we don't know.

We've got an atmosphere that supports life, we've got all sorts of electric atmospheric and magnetic fields keeping us alive, jupiter's there to sweep up any giant meteors the mean kids throw at us, I can see how an argument for intelligent design makes sense. The time scale suggested in the Bible's absurd on something as small-scale as a bunch of continental plates, but on a galactic scale, sure. The Sun playing tinker toys with the firmament of creation makes sense, and actually kinda fits dogma if the creation of light is the entity's first action.

Doesn't have to be the sun. Maybe Electromagnetism and Gravity have minds beyond our comprehension which are nonetheless Alive. Maybe we'll able to communicate with them some day. Maybe there's nothing to communicate with. We don't know. We don't know if we can or can't know, and if we did, we'd never know. The whole point is our society is nowhere near advanced enough for anyone to claim to know the will of god.

Hurting people can feel Right, and I'm not talking kink here. Live long enough and you'll thirst for vengeance some day. A gripping and driving will to harm on a way more visceral level than could possibly have anything to do with reason. There's a level at which stomping on people feels good, especially if you're getting rich doing it. If it's God's Will to keep on stompin' then you can just feel good without feeling bad about it. Aim that moral outrage at any given subculture and it'll burn for decades. That's why I don't trust organised religion, it gets in the way of natural alignment.

To morality: If something causes no harm, then it's harmless. As long as there's consent between all parties in any given action then no covenants have been broken and it's nobody else's business. Causing harm in retribution for harmless actions is bad, causing harm in retribution for harmful action is a grey area. Good and Bad is a human-centric way to look at things anyway, and can only be done in human terms. I got my sense of decency from granny.

Anyway, the endeavour of science is to push back the boundaries of What We Know, but there's absolutely nothing to suggest an end to that frontier. The more we know, the more we don't know. Gods will be watching either way.

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Reply Tehpikachu, August 31st, 2016, 1:40 am

[George Carlin voice] So I worship the sun.

Reply NtKGar, August 31st, 2016, 3:40 am

Heh, I'm subscribed to a Kurt Vonnegut quotes thing on Twitter, and this morning it spat out "If there's a god, he sure hates people".

@Tehpikachu: I love George Carlin :3

Reply Ame (Guest), September 2nd, 2016, 4:59 pm

@NtKGar: Or you can be like me and recognize that Holy doesn't need a label, neither does Goodness and Happiness. Its a universally equal feeling, like a burp.

Reply derp (Guest), September 3rd, 2016, 12:07 am

finally i caught up 5 weeks of reading this with sleep and ive read every single part that has been uploaded

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